X
Lost password?

Don't have an account?
Gain Access Now

X

Receive free daily analysis

NFL
NBA
NHL
NASCAR
CFB
MLB
MMA
PGA
ESPORTS
BETTING

Already have an account? Log In

X

Forgot Password


POPULAR FANTASY TOOLS

Expert Advice
Articles & Tools
Import Your Leagues
Draft Rankings
Draft Simulator
Enter League Settings
Compare Any Players
Rookies & Call-Ups
24x7 News and Alerts

Catchers to Stream - Week 14 Waiver Wire

It's your resident catcher advocate here, with my weekly defense for baseball's most maligned position. Instead of giving into easy narratives about the lack of talent at the catcher position and how they're the kickers of fantasy baseball, I'm here to create a place where catchers are celebrated for how they can help our teams.

Each week, I will take a look at the upcoming schedule ahead and give you my favorite streaming options at catcher. By looking at lineup trends, amount of games ahead, the location of the games, and potential pitching matchups, I'll try to guide you towards catchers that I think can be most useful for you in the upcoming week. For each catcher listed, I'll also add a chart that will provide you with data about the potential opposing pitchers that I think are meaningful in terms of allowing potential fantasy production. Plus, I'll also give a short explanation about why this catcher made the list. Every week I'll also look back at my previous recommendations so that we can have some transparency about what's working or not.

Since many fantasy managers will pay no attention to the catcher spot, your ability to constantly look for the best matchups will be a good way to get an advantage over your competition.

Be sure to check all of our fantasy baseball draft tools and resources:

 

Last Week Check-In

Not including Sunday's games (6/27):

  • Omar Narvaez (3 starts) 2-12, 2 Runs, 2 RBI (LOSS - Perhaps Sunday's game will turn it)
  • William Contreras (5 starts) 2-18 (LOSS - Maybe the magic has worn off)
  • Tyler Stephenson (3 starts) 3-16, 1 Run, 1 RBI (Loss - he'll also likely start on Sunday)
  • Reese McGuire (4 starts) 7-16, 2 runs (WIN - he's been very good; he gets four lefties next week or he would have made the list again)

SEASON STREAMING RECORD: 31-27

All matchup projections are made in conjunction with Roster Resource and @Rotoquotes on Twitter

 

Week Fourteen Catcher Waiver Wire (6/28 - 7/2)

For the purposes of this article, we are considering a "streaming catcher" one who is rostered in under 50% of Yahoo! leagues. Whether or not these catchers will be useful for you will depend entirely on your league size and the number of catchers you need to play. In order to help, I will keep a weekly list of "Untouchables," meaning catchers who, in my opinion, should NOT (if healthy) be dropped for a streaming option.

Untouchables: Catchers who shouldn't be dropped for these streamers in any format: J.T. Realmuto, Salvador Perez, Yasmani Grandal, Willson Contreras, Will Smith, Christian Vazquez, and Buster Posey.

 

Luis Torrens, Seattle Mariners

3% Rostered

Guess which catcher has the highest wRC+ over the last 14 days? Well, yeah, it's obvious given the context, but it's Luis freakin' Torrens. Since being recalled from Triple-A, the young catcher has been on fire. Over the past two weeks, he's hitting .375 with a 1.042 slugging percentage, five home runs, seven runs, and nine RBIs. Oh, he also has a .667 ISO, which is pretty good, and all of that comes with just a .286 BABIP. Yes, that streak isn't going to last, but don't we want to ride it while we can?

Torrens is going to play three games in a hitter-haven in Buffalo and two of those games will come against left-handed pitchers. Robbie Ray has been great this season, but he is still giving up a ton of hard contact and home runs, so he can rack up strikeouts and still allow for opponents to produce offensive goodness. Steven Matz will just be coming off the IL, so we have no idea what to expect, and then Torrens gets two really plus matchups against the Rangers with Jordan Lyles and Mike Foltynewicz. This may be short-lived, but I'm going to enjoy the fun while I can.

 

Omar Narvaez, Milwaukee Brewers

48% Rostered

It's been a rough two weeks for Narvaez, but I'm leaving him on here for a few reasons. One, I think he's good and he's hitting at the top of an improving Brewers lineup. Two, look at that table above, and, three, this is a long damn season. I think too many of us are playing this game as if it was 2020 and we only had eight weeks. There are still three months to go. THREE MONTHS!

One or two poor weeks isn't going to make or break your season, so we have to be able to stick with players that have talent and can provide what our roster needs. Narvaez is still hitting .302 on the season. His strikeout rate is still at a low 17.3% with an 11.2% walk rate. His spot in the lineup and batting order isn't being threatened.

There are no changes in his profile recently that suggest the early part of the season was a mirage, so we need to hold course. The schedule for next week should make it easy to do that, so you shouldn't be scared away from rolling with Narvaez for a few more weeks.

 

Tyler Stephenson, Cincinnati Reds

10% Rostered

Not too far behind Torrens, coming in 7th among catchers in wRC+ over the past two weeks is Stephenson. The rookie has settled in as an above-average offensive player, hitting .280 with eight runs over the last two weeks. What's more interesting to me is that he has an 18.2% walk rate and 12.1% strikeout rate over that period, which tells me that he's beginning to get a good feel for the strike zone.

He hits fourth in a strong Reds lineup and will play all seven games at home in Great American Ballpark, which is a tremendous offensive environment. To top it off, every pitcher he'll face, with the exception of Joe Musgrove, is giving up above-average hard contact this year. Kyle Hendricks has course-corrected a bit of late and Adbert Alzolay has had some dominant starts, but Musgrove is really the only pitcher on this list that worries me, but not enough to get rid of Stephenson for the week.

On another quick note: how is Adley Rutschman more widely rostered in Yahoo! leagues than Stephenson? Stephenson is 24-years-old; he's hitting .269 with just a 17.8% strikeout rate in his first major league season. He's pretty much locked into the middle of the order for a solid offense. How is that not valuable to you both right now and in the future?

 

Max Stassi, Los Angeles Angels

38% Rostered

We didn't play Stassi last week because he had only five games, but we're going back to the Angels catcher with seven games on the slate, all against average or below-average arms. While few of the pitchers that Stassi will face give up lots of home runs, the ratios and barrel rates are exactly what you want to see if you're rostering a hitter.

In fact, Jordan Montgomery is the best pitcher that Stassi will face and I wouldn't be scared of Stassi facing the Yankees lefty. To top it off, Stassi will face three gas gan pitchers for the Orioles at home in Anaheim, which has played as a top-five park for power this year. I think Stassi could end the week with a bang and make you a very happy manager.

 

Dom Nunez, Colorado Rockies

2% Rostered

I want to start out by saying that this is for deep leagues only. Over the last 30 days, Elias Diaz has played in 14 games and has 50 plate appearances while Dom Nunez has played in 13 games with 48 plate appearances. Both are hitting like crap. Nunez is hitting worse. Neither one of these guys would be near a fantasy roster except that they play in Coors and, you guessed it, the Rockies have seven home games next week.

Then you look at the pitcher they're set to face and you see how a guy like Nunez can make his way onto this list. Adam Wainwright has defeated father time and been legitimately good this year, but I am actively trying to start hitters against all of the other pitchers on this list. Additionally, they're all right-handed, which means that the left-handed-hitting Nunez should see a majority of the starts over Diaz, even though Diaz has been slightly better of late. Just hold your nose and trust the thin mountain air.



Download Our Free News & Alerts Mobile App

Like what you see? Download our updated fantasy baseball app for iPhone and Android with 24x7 player news, injury alerts, sleepers, prospects & more. All free!



More Fantasy Baseball Waiver Wire Advice




POPULAR FANTASY TOOLS

Expert Advice
Articles & Tools
Import Your Leagues
Draft Rankings
Draft Simulator
Enter League Settings
Compare Any Players
Rookies & Call-Ups
24x7 News and Alerts

REAL-TIME FANTASY NEWS

Cam Thomas12 mins ago

Sits Out First Leg Of Back-To-Back Saturday
Jalen Williams12 mins ago

Still Out On Saturday
Coby White14 mins ago

Listed As Probable For Saturday
Kene Nwangwu18 mins ago

Jets Re-Sign Kene Nwangwu To One-Year Deal
Cody Martin22 mins ago

Cleared To Return Friday
Eli White26 mins ago

Appears Likely To Open Season In Utility Role
Trey Lyles29 mins ago

Misses Friday's Game Due To Back Soreness
Tommy Henry32 mins ago

Optioned To Triple-A
Grayson Allen35 mins ago

Not Playing Friday
Trey Jemison III36 mins ago

Unavailable Against Nuggets
Blake Walston38 mins ago

To Have Tommy John Surgery
Jacob Misiorowski44 mins ago

Brewers Reassign Jacob Misiorowski To Minor-League Camp
Gabe Vincent45 mins ago

Sits Out Friday's Game
Nick Richards47 mins ago

Sitting Out On Friday
Dorian Finney-Smith50 mins ago

Sidelined On Friday
Erik Swanson51 mins ago

Diagnosed With "Median Nerve Entrapment"
Domantas Sabonis56 mins ago

Back In Action On Friday
Shane Baz57 mins ago

Not Worried About Spring Training Results
Zeke Nnaji1 hour ago

Active On Friday
Christian Braun1 hour ago

Cleared To Face Lakers
Aaron Gordon1 hour ago

Returns To Nuggets Lineup Friday
Jamal Murray1 hour ago

Good To Go Friday Night
Nikola Jokić1 hour ago

Nikola Jokic Available Against Lakers
Ochai Agbaji2 hours ago

Out On Friday
Scottie Barnes2 hours ago

Active Versus Jazz
De'Andre Hunter2 hours ago

Returns To Action Against Grizzlies
Jaren Jackson Jr.2 hours ago

Returning On Friday
Mason Adams2 hours ago

Exits With Elbow Injury
Stephon Castle3 hours ago

Joins Starting Lineup Friday
Will Klein3 hours ago

Optioned To Triple-A Tacoma
Simi Fehoko3 hours ago

Signing With Cardinals
Kylen Granson3 hours ago

Headed To Philadelphia
Jared Shuster3 hours ago

Optioned To Triple-A
Sterling Shepard3 hours ago

Remaining With Buccaneers
José Buttó3 hours ago

Jose Butto Dealing With Groin Injury
Cincinnati Bengals3 hours ago

Bengals Not Ruling Out Trey Hendrickson Extension
Wenceel Pérez3 hours ago

Wenceel Perez Receives Injection, Expected To Be Ready For Opening Day
Jose Trevino3 hours ago

Exits Early On Friday
Cooper Kupp3 hours ago

Signing With Seahawks
Jake Cronenworth4 hours ago

Not Expected To Play First Base
Lance McCullers Jr.4 hours ago

To Make Grapefruit League Debut On Tuesday
Giancarlo Stanton4 hours ago

Dealing With Minor Calf Injury
Jacob deGrom4 hours ago

Throws In Minor-League Game On Friday
Wilyer Abreu4 hours ago

To Make Spring Debut On Saturday, Could Be Ready For Opening Day
Grayson Rodriguez4 hours ago

Should Begin Throwing Progression Next Week
Karel Vejmelka4 hours ago

Makes Ninth Consecutive Start Friday
Kyle Wright4 hours ago

Hoping To Face Live Hitters Next Week
Dustin Wolf4 hours ago

Set To Face Avalanche Friday
Mikael Backlund4 hours ago

Out Week-To-Week
Alec Marsh4 hours ago

Continues To Build Up His Arm
Bobby Witt Jr.4 hours ago

Does Some Hitting On Friday
Sam Colangelo5 hours ago

Deemed Day-To-Day With An Upper-Body Injury
Michael Bunting5 hours ago

A Game-Time Call Friday
Dallas Cowboys5 hours ago

Dante Fowler Jr. Heading Back To Cowboys
Andrei Svechnikov5 hours ago

Expected To Return Next Week
Nikolaj Ehlers5 hours ago

Good To Go Against Stars
Buffalo Bills5 hours ago

Larry Ogunjobi, Michael Hoecht Both Facing Six-Game PED Suspensions
Tee Higgins6 hours ago

Bengals Making Headway On Contracts For Tee Higgins, Ja'Marr Chase
Ben Skowronek6 hours ago

Back With Steelers
Minnesota Vikings6 hours ago

Eric Wilson Returns To Minnesota
Pharaoh Brown7 hours ago

Heading To Miami
Minnesota Vikings7 hours ago

Justin Skule Signs With Vikings
Mackenzie Blackwood7 hours ago

Battling Illness, Not Starting On Friday
Rasmus Ristolainen8 hours ago

Day-To-Day With Upper-Body Injury
Lian Bichsel8 hours ago

Not Playing On Friday
Josh Norris8 hours ago

Undergoing Evaluation
JJ Peterka8 hours ago

Not Playing On Saturday
Neal Pionk8 hours ago

Viewed As Week-To-Week
Kareem Hunt8 hours ago

Chiefs Bring Back Kareem Hunt On One-Year Deal
Philadelphia Eagles8 hours ago

Eagles Open To Trading Bryce Huff
Cooper Kupp9 hours ago

Asking For $15 Million Per Year
Christian Kirk9 hours ago

Texans Restructure Christian Kirk's Contract
Rondale Moore9 hours ago

Visiting With Vikings
Bailey Zappe9 hours ago

Chiefs Re-Sign Bailey Zappe
Tim Patrick9 hours ago

Lions Re-Sign Tim Patrick
Roman Dolidze13 hours ago

Set For A Rematch
Marvin Vettori13 hours ago

Looks To Get Back In The Win Column
Cooper Kupp13 hours ago

Cowboys Not Considered Favorites For Cooper Kupp
Chidi Njokuani13 hours ago

Looks For His Third Win In A Row
Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos13 hours ago

Looks For His 12th UFC Win
Kurt Holobaugh14 hours ago

An Underdog At UFC Vegas 104
Alexander Hernandez14 hours ago

Looks To Win Back-To-Back Fights
Cody Gibson14 hours ago

Looks For His Third Consecutive Win
Da'Mon Blackshear14 hours ago

A Favorite At UFC Vegas 104
Quinton Byfield15 hours ago

Scores In Fifth Straight Game
Jesper Bratt15 hours ago

Posts Second Straight Three-Point Performance
Brendson Ribeiro15 hours ago

Searching For Second UFC Win On Saturday
Tristan Jarry15 hours ago

Picks Up Third Straight Victory
Diyar Nurgozhay15 hours ago

Set To Make His UFC Debut
Adin Hill15 hours ago

Shuts The Door On Blue Jackets On Thursday
MMA15 hours ago

Seung Woo Choi In Dire Need Of Victory
Sam Bennett15 hours ago

Strikes Twice In Victory
Brady Tkachuk15 hours ago

Suffers Minor Injury On Thursday
Kevin Vallejos15 hours ago

Makes Debut At UFC Vegas 104
Charlie Lindgren1 day ago

Gets The Nod Against Kings Thursday
Filip Gustavsson1 day ago

Starts Against Rangers Thursday
Jacob Bridgeman2 days ago

Use Caution For Jacob Bridgeman At TPC Sawgrass
Nicolai Hojgaard2 days ago

Looks To Stay Consistent Heading Into PLAYERS Championship
Karl Vilips2 days ago

Makes PLAYERS Championship Debut After First PGA Tour Win
Taylor Pendrith2 days ago

A Sneaky Play At TPC Sawgrass
Sahith Theegala2 days ago

Out Of Form Ahead Of The PLAYERS Championship
Matt Fitzpatrick3 days ago

A Shaky Play Heading Into PLAYERS
Scottie Scheffler3 days ago

Eyeing Three-Peat At TPC Sawgrass
Aldrich Potgieter3 days ago

A Risky Play At TPC Sawgrass
Si Woo Kim3 days ago

Looks To Keep Building Momentum At The PLAYERS
Denny McCarthy3 days ago

Looks To Continue Solid Play At TPC Sawgrass
Collin Morikawa3 days ago

Poised For Another Strong Performance At TPC Sawgrass
Robert MacIntyre3 days ago

A Risky Play With Upside At The PLAYERS Championship
Jordan Spieth3 days ago

Looking To Change Fortunes At TPC Sawgrass
Cameron Young3 days ago

Avoid Cameron Young At The PLAYERS Championship
Michael Kim3 days ago

Continues Incredible Form Ahead Of The PLAYERS Championship
Justin Thomas3 days ago

Looking For More Magic At TPC Sawgrass
Xander Schauffele3 days ago

Continues Competitive Return At The Players Championship
Rory McIlroy3 days ago

Looks To Reverse Recent History At TPC Sawgrass
PGA3 days ago

Victor Hovland Looking To Find Form At The PLAYERS Championship
Brian Harman3 days ago

A Sleeper Pick At The PLAYERS Championship
Min Woo Lee3 days ago

A Hard Name To Trust At The Players Championship
Tyler Reddick4 days ago

Power-Steering Failure Foils Tyler Reddick's Bid For Potential Victory
William Byron4 days ago

Recovers From Being Trapped A Lap Down To Finish Sixth
Josh Berry4 days ago

Gives Wood Brothers Team Best Run Since 2021
Alex Pereira4 days ago

Drops Decision At UFC 313
Magomed Ankalaev4 days ago

Becomes The New UFC Light-Heavyweight Champion
Justin Gaethje4 days ago

Gets Back In The Win Column
Rafael Fiziev4 days ago

Loses Third Fight In A Row
Ignacio Bahamondes4 days ago

Gets Submission Win At UFC 313
Christopher Bell5 days ago

Scores His Third Consecutive Victory Of The Season At Phoenix
Kyle Larson5 days ago

Strong Phoenix Performance Falls Short Of Victory
Chris Buescher5 days ago

Quietly Earns A Top-Five Finish At Phoenix
Alex Bowman5 days ago

Leaves Phoenix With His Best Finish At The Site Since 2016
Zane Smith5 days ago

Quietly Nabs His First Phoenix Top-10 Finish
Jalin Turner5 days ago

Retires After UFC 313 Loss
Iasmin Lucindo5 days ago

Gets Dominated At UFC 313
Amanda Lemos5 days ago

Dominates At UFC 313
King Green5 days ago

Gets Knocked Out At UFC 313
Chase Elliott6 days ago

Is Chase Elliott Worth Rostering At Phoenix This Week For DFS?
Joey Logano6 days ago

Will Be A Top Contender To Win At Phoenix
Denny Hamlin6 days ago

Is Difficult to Recommend As A DFS Option
Carson Hocevar6 days ago

Is Not An Ideal Driver To Add To Phoenix DFS Lineups
Brad Keselowski6 days ago

Is A Solid DFS Choice For Phoenix Lineups
Austin Cindric6 days ago

Could Be Worth Using In Phoenix Tournament Lineups
Kyle Busch6 days ago

Should Fantasy Players Roster Kyle Busch At Phoenix?
Michael McDowell6 days ago

Is Michael McDowell Worth Rostering For Phoenix DFS Lineups?
Ty Gibbs6 days ago

Is A DFS Recommendation Despite Inconsistent Track History At Phoenix
Austin Dillon6 days ago

Is Austin Dillon Worth Rostering In DFS For Phoenix This Week?
Cole Custer6 days ago

Is An Underrated DFS Value Pick For Phoenix Lineups
Tyler Reddick6 days ago

DFS Value Likely Hinges On How Much He Leads
Chase Briscoe6 days ago

Despite Strong Phoenix Record, Chase Briscoe Qualifies Inexplicably Poorly
RANKINGS
C
1B
2B
3B
SS
OF
SP
RP

RANKINGS

QB
RB
WR
TE
K
DEF

MORE RECENT ARTICLES

 
Michael Florio's Football Show - Podcast RotoBaller Network

Florio's Football Show: Free Agency Fantasy Fallout!

Michael F. Florio is back going over the any signings and trades that free agency week brought us! He discusses his winners and losers of players that changed teams - then does the same for players who were not moved but still had their value impacted! Be sure to also tune into RotoBaller Radio on SiriusXM […]


Davante Adams - Fantasy Football Rankings, NFL Injury News, DFS Lineup Picks

NFL Free Agency Tracker - Updates On Every Free Agent Signing (2025)

The NFL offseason is starting to heat up, and the league's legal tampering period is set to begin on March 10 at noon Eastern. Free agents cannot officially sign until the new league year begins on March 12 at 4 p.m. Eastern, but deals will be agreed to, and news will be coming in quickly […]


Drake Maye - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL Injury News

2025 Fantasy Football Sleepers: Players To Target In Deep Leagues

Fantasy football sleepers are what make the game fun. There is nothing like landing an absolute stud in the double-digit rounds of your fantasy draft. The more teams in your league, the more important sleepers become. As the player pool shrinks, it is an absolute must to hit on at least one or two sleepers. […]


DK Metcalf - Fantasy Football Rankings, NFL Injury News, DFS Lineup Picks

Fantasy Football Avoids, Busts: 2025 NFL Free Agent Signings

The 2025 NFL free-agency period is well underway, and many wide receivers, tight ends, quarterbacks, and running backs have already found their new homes. While some of them are in better landing spots, or at least should continue having solid production relative to their ADP (anticipated draft position) in fantasy football, some of them should […]


Jaydon Blue - College Football Rankings, NCAA CFB DFS Picks, NFL Draft

2025 Fantasy Football Rookie Sleepers: Late-Round Prospects With Immediate Upside

Players who are thought of as less likely to succeed in the NFL are typically selected later in drafts. When a player falls through the rounds, it's generally because teams have doubts about their ability to produce. It takes a specific family of skill sets to succeed in the big leagues. But sometimes, players fall […]


Cole Kmet - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL injury News

2025 Fantasy Football Tight End Sleepers For Best Ball Drafts

Tight end is one of the most important positions in fantasy football, and heading into 2025, the position seems even deeper than it has been in past seasons. Sure, there’s the new cream rising to the top with Brock Bowers and Trey McBride, but a lot of veterans are seen much lower in best ball […]


Tyreek Hill - Fantasy Football Rankings, NFL Injury News, DFS Picks

Fantasy Football Bust Candidates: Second Round Avoids For 2025 Drafts

It's a little bit easier to identify potential busts in the second round of fantasy football drafts than in the first round. Of course, the further the drafts wear on, the fewer highly-talented players everyone knows are available. In the second round, there are usually more players with question marks than there are in the […]


Davante Adams - Fantasy Football Rankings, NFL Injury News, DFS Lineup Picks

Free Agency Fantasy Football Analysis: Risers On New Teams (2025)

Sometimes the grass really is greener on the other side, and sometimes NFL players are able to go to said other side where said grass is greener and sign with a team that puts them in a better situation for fantasy football success. Such is the case for several players this season. Sometimes wide receivers […]


Dallas Goedert - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL Injury News

Dallas Goedert Top Landing Spots: 2025 NFL Trade Outlook

The Philadelphia Eagles are apparently attempting to trade their top tight end, Dallas Goedert, for at least a fourth-round pick in compensation. Whether or not they get their wish remains to be seen, but Goedert was still a reasonably productive TE in his final year with the Eagles with injuries aside. Part of the reason […]


Kareem Hunt - Fantasy Football Rankings, NFL Injury News, DFS Lineup Picks

Kareem Hunt Top Landing Spots: 2025 NFL Free Agency Outlook

Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt had a decent season filling in for the injured Isiah Pacheco and later serving in a committee with him when he returned from his broken fibula. He was technically signed "off the street" as he wasn't even in the NFL when the Chiefs reached out to him for […]


Joe Flacco - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL Injury News

Joe Flacco Top Landing Spots: 2025 NFL Free Agency Outlook

Indianapolis Colts quarterback Joe Flacco has hit the open market, and the Colts have decided to go in another direction for their backup QB job. They signed former New York Giants and Minnesota Vikings quarterback Daniel Jones to back up Anthony Richardson, though many are rightfully convinced that Jones will end up as the starter, […]


Brandin Cooks - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL Injury News

Brandin Cooks Top Landing Spots: 2025 NFL Free Agency Outlook

Wide receiver Brandin Cooks is a free agent for the first time in his career after his contract with the Dallas Cowboys expired this offseason. He is now free to sign with any team he chooses. Cooks did not have his best season in 2024. He only posted a 26-259-3 line in 10 games and […]


Gus Edwards - Fantasy Football Rankings, Draft Sleepers, NFL DFS Picks

Gus Edwards Top Landing Spots: 2025 NFL Free Agency Outlook

The Los Angeles Chargers recently cut Gus Edwards after one season with the team. He had just signed a two-year deal with Los Angeles last offseason, but apparently, the team wanted to go in a different direction. It’s understandable as Edwards averaged a career-worst 3.6 yards per carry in 2024. His advanced metrics weren’t great […]